Share 0 Comments. In fact, that can be added without debate, because that is simply the fact of what happened.I realised too late that the last topic was about this. So I think yes, it's almost exclusively used for transwomen, and the wiki should reflect this (and yes, I am searching in Japanese). What I meant was, it serves as an indicator that Kiku has no qualms with using a "traditionally" male pronoun to identify herself. The way the public sees you is not what you are. Eitherway I wanna quickly point out, again, that Kiku refers to herself as a woman in chapter 916. Just how much more explicit do you think it's gonna get in a japanese shonen manga? After traveling 20 years forward in time, she worked as a tea house poster girl in Okobore Town while gathering information for the planned rebellion. You can change them dependingly. They didn't even have gendered third person pronouns in japanese before they started translating western literature. MS says Saku. I know several other trans OP fans. Can you call Izo a girl?
Language is evolving literally as we speak. "Kokoro wa onna desu", "my heart/soul is a woman" suggests that Kiku identifies as fenale, so we should be using she or they Also, on the topic of O-kiku using "sessha" a "male" first pronoun for samurai. Kikunojo has also claimed to be a "woman at heart/soul". I mean, Usopp is know as GOD, and that's not what he is. As for appearance, I feel that man could be kept or otherwise the sentence starts off weird, but if using "man" is off limits, it can also be changed to "Kiku is a samurai that dresses as a female, and as such has a feminine appearance."
When Kin'emon introduces her he doesn't mention her being a man, which granted like I said is not a topic often brought up in japanese, or her being in "disguise". (Look at Urashima or the Straw Hats who all thought Kiku was female.) Here's a start: The "being treated like a woman by everyone up to the newest chapter" also needs to reviewed taking into account whether the characters in question know Kiku's true identity. They don't say "I'm a trans woman" or "I'm a woman", they say "I'm a woman at heart." So many hints already was, already was named the specific gender of characters. Sorry for going off-track. I’m using we just list our names rather than give an explanation why. Unless an issue is raised with it, it will go live on Tuesday at 0:00 UTC. It was not accepted for a female to be one. I know some translations put a "Yes, but..." there, but that is not in the original. The point is that HOW is someone "revealing" Kiku as a "man" the basic above Kiku saying she is a woman at heart. That's the actual translation from Viz's release. So I don't think Kiku using "sessha" is proof she identifies as a man. This was first demonstrated when she served as an ally to Luffy in his mission to rescue Tama from the Beasts Pirates. I recently noticed that Kikunojo looks a lot like Kikuhime, a non-canon character from an expo in 2017 who is unequivocally a woman, and residing in Wano, so with that and Kiku's very clearly feminine appearance and behaviour, I would say as far as self-identity goes, Kiku considers herself a woman. If there's something you still don't get I'll be happy to help. To be honest, this is a difficult for me to find an answer to. It was unclear at the beginning of the discussion, alright, but the discussion has progressed, and we have learned new information on the matter. Timwe to move Zoro's page to Zolo, Nekomamushi's page to Cat Viper, and Inuarashi's page to Dogstorm So you're just gonna not adress all the evidence above for the sake of making a whiny comment because that's the only point you can contest? Nightmare: I think your suggestion about removing pronouns is great and should suffice until evidence everyone finds conclusive is shown. Do we really need more than that? I always thought that was more for plural usage, or fusions involving a male and a female in Steven Universe’s case.They/them can be considered a non binary/ gender neutral pronoun. I think it'll be hard to make a long list of characters that use sessha in general, let alone finding an instance where there could be an argument over the characters gender identification. The only time I would say I'm "a woman at heart" was if I was a man, who identify as a man, want to be address as a man, but not be confined by male common acts, and prefer female act including wearing female clothing and makeup, refrain from arguments (like when Kiku hid behind Zoro in Bakura Town), show a caring nature (as shown towards Tsuru, Tama, etc.
Even if immediately after that the parents said "I want to raise Kiku as a girl" she was still assigned male when she came out. I unlocked the poll, and changed the starting time to make it contemporary. It may be too redundant to keep on saying Kikunojo every sentence. Why would we not use a male pronoun if the character himself uses male pronouns.The same reason Big Mom uses ore. She's been treated and refered to as a woman thus far, and admitted to being a woman at heart. Kinda out of political correctness and such as apparently demonstrated here.That's not exactly what I meant, Nightmare. Transgender is a modern term that did not exist back then. He had his men carry her to him, but when he degraded the audience as vulgar commoners, Kiku responded by cutting off his topknot, saying the only vulgar thing was his heart.Soon afterward, Law took Luffy and Zoro to the ruins of Oden Castle, and Kiku went along with them to see what they intended to do there. Some of the terminology used here isnt keeping in line with respectful style guide for referring to trans people. That is not "delusional", is it? So not necessarily "he" or "she" but any type of reference to man or woman, be that "swordsman" or "poster girl."
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